First of all...
(Because let's be honest: it's the controversies that make this forum interesting these days...)
brianhaverkate wrote:Did you do any research before you posted this or did you just find the one review that supported your argument? I think you'll find that my reviews are pretty much in line with everyone else at RARB when you look at my reviewing history in its entirety.
Fair point about your full reviewing history. Everyone knows that it's the anomalies which give the best insight, though. Particularly, in this case, the places where you gave 5's.
Because you went into great detail in the last thread about why you didn't give OOTB a 5, I thought it'd be interesting to find those groups where you gave said score despite the possibility that a group might think they had "nowhere to go from here". That's what sparked my search, and I have to say that I was surprised by the two most recent examples (and the only ones from the past year and a half, at that): Onoscatopoeia and the Derbies. Derbies, and your opinion on the album, specifically, had been previously discussed on the forums (and is a stronger example), so I chose to bring that one up for the sakes of continuity and relevance.
There are a couple other examples, too (Lilli Lewis comes to mind), but the conversation deteriorates further and further into "my opinion on a few of your opinions" as it progresses. And that's just not very interesting conversation, is it? :)
I'm also curious to know: do you think OOTB's last album "Red" was better/worse/the same as the current one? I know that you reviewed the previous one... and also gave it a 4 Overall (and a 3 for Innovation/Creativity, heh!). I'd certainly say that the new one is substantially improved, both in comparison to the group's last effort and as related to the collective body of contemporary a cappella, all-female or otherwise.
brianhaverkate wrote:That aside, I'll admit I probably liked the Derbies album more than I should have. I also don't think it deserved 1's and 2's either as the other reviewers scored it. We're all human.
Are we human... or are we dancer?
brianhaverkate wrote:I think sometimes reviewers credit an album too much if it's in line with all the bells and whistles of current technology (ie: failing to look closely at categories like creativity), and on the flip side I think reviewers discredit an album if it's more like a year-book album in recording quality (failing to credit the creativity or quality singing that might exist). Sure, the year-book albums should be rated lower in sound/production but not at the expense of other categories. I'm not sure if it's subconscious or not. I have to constantly force myself to wade through the auto-tune and rhythm maps to accurately rate the non-production categories and not just give those categories a pass because the gloss sounds so great.
Nice. I appreciate that perspective and the additional attention you give to those details.
brianhaverkate wrote:I'm not sure what "Semi-Charmed Life" has to do with scoring an album. Does the album get 1's and 2's because the group covered that song. How about "The Lion Sleeps Tonight"? I didn't know these rules existed.
Well, yeah. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29
brianhaverkate wrote:If you want to point out an album where you think I missed the mark (which I admit I did to some degree) and place that as your level for argument, that's fine. However, I think that says more about you than it does me. That in combination with the fact you went/go to Duke might lessen your credibility when complaining about an album's scores from a group from that school.
Maybe. I do have a few friends who were in OOTB. They graduated between 2005 and 2007 (when I graduated), though. I don't know that it has much bearing on how I feel about the group's current album, especially considering I thought the ones that came out during/just after my time at Duke were significantly less compelling as compared to the most recent.
No matter, though. Since my objectivity is now in question here, I suppose that I should re-frame the main point of my argument (and, perhaps, start what could be a great conversation to have):
Name, with supporting arguments, any better all-female album than Flywheel. Curious to know your (Brian) thoughts, as well as others'.