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A Cappella Innovations

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Postby billhare » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:05 pm

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Postby mcbc » Tue Apr 08, 2008 12:20 pm

OK as much as I like the level of snark here, I feel similarly to Amy. Honestly people, hasn't anyone heard of the phrase "it's all fun and games until someone loses an eye -- or loses an alto to a millionaire-funded cult"?

Seriously, as much as all these acts may have killed, rocked, owned, pwned, rCKd it's lending legitimacy to what could be something quite creepy. Best case scenario, this is all nothing and huzzah you all got to rub elbows with Blake Lewis. Worst case? Uh yikes much? ... And there will be an Associated Press reporter calling all of you investigating 'a cappella ties' to cult organization. Wire stories get started over much less. There is no reason to collect social security #'s. None.

Or maybe this is just a loss leader, shell-group that aggregates personal information to be used later ... just like any ol' spam e-mail.

Just sayin' ... and wondering why so many seem to be laughing this off so easily. OK with that said [/mommy post]

1. To whoever was wonder why Mr. Raniere was quoted on the "essence of a cappella" ... Well, apparently he fronted most of the dinero for the event. That's his license to mouth off, it happens all the time in business conferences why not a cappella.

2. Why get commentary from "non a cappella" people on a cappella? Well, for one it's a fresh perspective. Two, while a kudo from Deke [or any a cappella heavyweight] would carry significant weight within the community ... a nice word from say an Alison Mack or a Blake Lewis would get more recognition outside of the insiders' circle and it would probably be higher on say a "press page." It ain't just alphabetical. No offense. And no, I didn't mean to call you fat Deke.

3. Each group had its own 18-25 year old fairly attractive female coordinator? Really?
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Event Distinctions

Postby Innovations Participants » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:32 pm

I would like to agree with the points made so far in that I don't understand why everyone is so quick to laugh this off either. It doesn't matter how amazing the acts were (and they were amazing at both events). This is the point of a slow BUT STEADY attempt at forging this organization's way into a new demographic.

Everything I've read so far has been about NXIVM's history of holding "Executive Success Programs" for adults who want to get more out of their lives. These programs were obviously aimed at the 30+ demographic, mature adults who had full-time jobs, devoted spouses, and children, who didn't feel that they were getting enough out of life. What better way than to attend an ESP meeting to better yourself? I feel that NXIVM wanted to branch out, and reach an as-yet untapped group of people: gullible 18-25 year olds. Where should he start? College. The perfect group of people. We question everything around us all the time: our parents, our values, our belief in what we have come to know in life through higher education. Most of us have disposable incomes through loan refunds or parents who foot the bill. We live on our own for the first time and we want everything cool we can get our hands on that our parents would never let us have (credit cards!) . NXIVM knows all of this very well. I know that this sounds a little on the extreme side, but just think about how easy it would be for them to con even one unsuspecting person from X A Cappella group from X College/University to sign up for one of their intensives. How do they accomplish such a goal? Hmm..

Although this is only the second time this festival has been held, many of the same groups have been invited both times. Is this because there is a limited amount of talent in the a cappella community and they couldn't find anyone better? Of course not. Anyone who knows anything about a cappella knows that this is a huge, awesome extracurricular activity that exists all over the country (there are more than 5 a cappella groups at JUST my school) with thousands of various groups. Even if we were to consider travel difficulties, the New England/northeast area is rife with a cappella talent. I think their aim was to find a few select groups, invite them back every time, and attempt to change their attitudes a little bit at a time. The format changes alone should tip you off onto that, considering the dramatic differences between the two events.

EVENT 1 focused on the music, holding workshops that allowed ACTUAL A CAPPELLA TALENT to be involved in them. There was a lot of variety to each workshop, looking at a different aspect of MUSICAL/PERFORMING TALENT in each one. The last time we went, we did a workshop with the House Jacks and it was extremely productive. Workshops, while a very productive thing, were presented as one of two options (which we were able to choose ON OUR OWN FREE WILL): the other being the ability to watch the other groups perform at our leisure. The food was fine as far as I remember, and I didn't immediately run it to the garbage can to stop myself from looking at. The after-party was a celebration to a successful a cappella gathering. There was no indication that the after-party was selling any idea, product or movement. Just pizza, soda, and music to dance to. All events, whether or not they required attendance, were held in the one venue (the Egg), so a cappella groups could easily go to and from the hotel, which was within walking distance of wherever we needed to be.

EVENT 2 focused on a more spiritual direction of the songs we presented. Attendance in these workshops was mandatory, and we did not know how many of them there were, or how long we were going to be involved in them. They were run ONLY by members of either Simply Human (who, although this may sound offensive, I wasn't particularly impressed with), or some random woman who never even attempted to explain her authority in a cappella music. Even though several esteemed judges, Blake Lewis himself, and other talented performers of the evening shows were available, their resources were not even considered for these workshops. The elements themselves focused on emotions only. Even when groups tried to constructively discuss a musical or choreographical aspect of another groups' performance, it was immediately disregarded by the staff, and attention was brought back to either "emotions" or a "gift" we were to give the other group. The after-party that night was sponsored by 10C this time. It was held at a shady warehouse in downtown Troy, which isn't the safest area to begin with. There was no mention of a cappella this time. Instead, our attention was to be focused on Allison and Nicki's new awesome social network called 10C. What this was supposed to be all about was extremely vague, and even the speech we were forced to listen to about it gave no clear answers (the website is www.y10c.com, but, as par for the course, you can't get any information whatsoever until you give them personal information). I also want to point out that this venue, as well as the hotels that the groups were put up in, were extremely remote with respect to the location of the Egg. It was not possible to walk to any of these destinations. This gave me the feeling of isolation; once I was at the Egg for the day, there wasn't a point in time where I could conveniently return to my hotel room to rest for a minute. Once I had arrived to the 10C party, I couldn't easily go back to my hotel room without coordinating our entire group, and taking a 20 minute drive to get there. This event was held more on their terms, organizing things in ways that were extremely inconvenient for us as far as comfortability was concerned, and pointing our attention to the "emotional core" of our music, rather than the performance and musical criticism it could have benefitted from.

I know that this was a long post, but i wanted to point out the distinct differences I, (and not that I want to speak for them) and the rest of my group felt between these two events. Bottom line, isolation and questioning our emotional existence were the two running themes of this weekend, and I didn't appreciate it one bit. Many of you will think that I am exaggerating, that I'm reading into miniscule details, but I really do believe that these events won't hesitate to turn up the heat each time, changing yet another aspect of it that will alienate participants from their ideals and realms of comfortability even more. If the a cappella community cares about the many college groups that have been and will continue to participate in this activity, they should take a more aggressive part in learning about the background behind this organization, and exactly what Keith Raniere and his cronies benefit from all of this.
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One more thing

Postby Innovations Participants » Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:41 pm

PS: isn't this strange?

Several members of Simply Human, Nicki Clyne, and even Keith Raniere himself set up RARB usernames, commented on their satisfaction with their first ACI event (which was more of a let-me-pat-myself-on-the-back-in-front-of-you-all type thing), and never once posted again or even bothered to see what has been going on in this close-knit community? If they are so interested in a cappella music and devoted to its craft, why aren't they posting commentary and getting involved on this website? After all, it's a place where we can all come together and share our passion and love of the "human instrument."
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Re: One more thing

Postby livingfiction » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:32 pm

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Postby dekesharon » Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:35 pm

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Re: One more thing

Postby H.F. » Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:38 pm

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Postby sparkleytone » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:26 pm

EASY:

1) Anonymously throwing grenades in a crowded room.
2) Complaining about things that are being provided as a service to clients. We don't serve everyone food at SoJam.
3) Critiquing the minutia of large scale events that one has never attempted on even a 1/10th scale.
4) Tearing down the flashy new guy in town who has a ton to offer and is bringing some real visibility/growth to an insular niche.
5) Transferring the questionable activities of a person's beliefs or activities to something wholly different that has many high profile people from that niche involved at a planning/administrative level.


HARD:

1) Planning, organizing, and executing an event on the scale of a SoJam or A Cappella Innovations.
2) Recovering from the effects of being borderline slandered online, be it through anonymous channels or otherwise.
3) Choosing to judge something based on its actual merits and deficits, as opposed to its perceived ones.
4) Watching your friends get indirectly crapped on by cowards who feel it necessary to anonymously tear down something they have contributed to and sacrificed for.
5) Realizing that most college students still have a somewhat naive outlook on the way the world actually works, and applying an appropriately-sized grain of salt to situations like this.

Nothing ever worth doing was easy.

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On a personal note, this thread evokes some of the very same feelings I had a few years ago when we were putting our blood sweat and tears into making SoJam happen every year and growing the AACI at the same time. I remember vividly some tense moments and some (looking back) rather inappropriate implications being made toward us, so forgive me if I require something more concrete than the "information" provided.
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Postby siobahn » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:41 pm

Hello there.

I felt compelled to post something because I feel, frankly, saddened at the reactions and the responses to the A Cappella Innovations experience; not so much by those who were not there (as you don't have any first hand data and I can therefore understand your concerns), but by those that WERE. The way I see it, there is a bunch of us putting ourselves out there trying to put on a kick-ass a cappella festival, and while there may have been some missteps, people are choosing to focus on things that have nothing to do with the festival itself.

Meaning: For those of you who were there, constructive feedback about how the festival is run is welcome and encouraged! But to lump in your feedback with some concerns about people's affiliations with an organization such as NXIVM is a non-sequitur and therefore unnecessary. That said, yes, I AM affiliated with NXIVM and in fact work for the organization; it is nothing that I have ever hidden from anyone that I have come into contact with in A Cappella Innovations and I have shared when asked and when it was appropriate (i.e. when people ask me what I do for a living, blah blah blah....)l in fact, it is something I am actually quite proud of. I have known Keith for 8 years and consider him to be a good friend; indeed, one of the most modest, unassuming, and humane individuals I have ever met. I believe that his intentions are nothing but good and pro-active towards the a cappella community. For those of you who have seen my group perform, I also truly believe that my capacity to be an expressive performer is due to the work I have done with NXIVM. Over the past two festivals, I have worked closely with many of the college groups, and for those of you who have spoken with me, I think you can vouch for the fact that while I may be a crazy rock star on stage (or I try hard anyway!), I am off-stage just another person who loves a cappella and singing and, most importantly, working with people to inspire them.

The goal of A Cappella Innovations, really and truly, is to promote a cappella and the joy of singing. We want to make our endeavors as successful as possible towards this goal, so we will work hard to make it so. But for people to scare themselves or feel suspicious of motives is unnecessary and, I think, an unfortunate commentary on the world and how distrustful people are of one another. It is unfortunate that they are willing to read paid media sensationalism and choose that as an authority over their own experience - or worse, to change their experience retroactively to fit what they have read. After all, up until the second day of the festival, none of these allegations were true. I personally taught the workshops; I was there and was witness to the groups' experience. I would like to call upon the groups that I participated with and say to my face that what I saw, live and in person, was not true. I know what MY motives are and they were purely to help groups unite and express more genuinely.

I hope that we can work to resolve this so that we can all work together. I think everyone here wants the same thing - to promote something we love - and that is nothing to be fearful or suspicious of.

If anyone who knows me personally would like to talk to me, I'd love that and would welcome it.

Thank you to everyone who was there, because I had a great weekend and I look forward to more!

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Re: One more thing

Postby liquid5thcarl » Tue Apr 08, 2008 5:46 pm

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Postby playdeep » Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:24 pm

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Postby maykish » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:31 pm

Wahhh The free food wasn't goood enough!
Wahhh The free hotel wasn't convenient enough!
Wahhh The free weekend of concerts, workshops and parties didn't have a good enough schedule!

Sorry, but as an outsider who did not attend this event, and has no personal ties to the event, you have a hard time getting sympathy from me. No one was forcing you to stay, if you truly felt threatened by the cult rumor circulating, leave, walk out the door. Don't shit on an organization (literally, and in a public forum) for failing to provide a Club Med of an a cappella event.
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Postby cg929 » Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:41 pm

Despite the poor decisions of one group who attended AI, other groups HAVE come forward and discussed their uneasiness with the whole situation. The members of NXIVM are purposefully highlighting the negative actions of one group to dissuade other groups from stating their discomfort. The original purpose of this thread was to raise awareness/questions about the weird happenings at the event, and they have done so.
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