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RARB/CASA Forums • View topic - A Cappella Innovations
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:39 am
by acageek

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:04 am
by mcbc

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:30 am
by mikex

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:59 am
by AMalkoff

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:41 am
by Amanda Newman
I am amazed this conversation has gone on as long as it has, and that people are even calling the organizers of this event and NXIVM to give their side of the story.

If an event is thrown by a known cult, you don't go, no matter how good the music is. It's like letting your kids trick-or-treat at a known sex offender's house because he gives out the best candy.

I mean, come on people.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:43 am
by Amanda Newman
Regarding the Crosbys, I will note that last year, after not placing at finals, they threw a hissy fit and trashed their dressing room, doing literally thousands of dollars of physical and structural damage. We're not just talking garbage strewn around the room -- we're talking holes punched in the walls.

Fortunately for them, Alice Tully Hall was scheduled for complete renovation the next week.

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:49 am
by borski

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:02 am
by mcbc

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:14 am
by playdeep

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:30 am
by kevin47

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:57 am
by matthewnym

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:01 pm
by jamesq84

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:10 pm
by Box_Beatin_Lady

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:24 pm
by The Crosbys

PostPosted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:38 pm
by Clare
I am deeply offended by the conduct of certain individuals in this community.

Please forgive my writing as I explain my experiences. I am the organizer of A Cappella Innovations AND Keith Raniere is a dear friend of mine AND I am deeply committed to NXIVM.

First, I know the people who back Rick Ross to fabricate the cult controversy through a carefully funded, politically orchestrated campaign of media and law.

Here are some references relating to Rick Ross:
Here is what Rick Ross believes is acceptable conduct:

Here is the judge’s opinion of Rick Ross in that case:

Here is an excerpt of a psychiatrist’s opinion of Rick Ross:

Here is Rick Ross’s past criminal history:

Here is an article in a reputable news source about Rick Ross:


These references are difficult, but not impossible, to find on the internet because of political protection. Keith tends not to talk about his achievements and has always kept very quiet about the people he knows. Is he money driven? Although his past businesses have put him in a profit position of over $1 million dollars a month, he did not take this money and lives in the same house he has for the last 20 years: an $80k (purchase price) condominium in a small suburban neighborhood. He lives a very simple, modest life where he teaches voice, piano and invents—he also coaches some to the top people in the world. Is he power hungry? I have worked with him on the AI festivals and my sister is on the executive board of Nxivm. Keith is respected but often can be convinced to change his mind and is at times outvoted. He is both rational and compromising.

Having watched Keith’s life for the past 5 years (and I know others who have known him for as long as 30 years—Karen Unterreiner, one of the facilitators at the festival) he is neither money driven nor power driven and always strives to do the right thing.

Here are some facts about Keith Raniere:
This is the preface to Keith Raniere’s book from a prominent academic. Keith’s articles have been featured in each edition of Luis Todd’s journal for the past several years and there was a complete edition devoted to Keith. Here is the foreword to Keith’s book:

Here is more information on Keith:

He is noted as one of the 3 top problem solvers in the world and was in the Guinness book under highest IQ, 1989.

Because of Keith Raniere and his creations:
Nancy Salzman, my sister and I had a personal meeting last month with the Dalai Lama on Keith’s ethics program and children’s school. We will have a second meeting with the Dalai Lama this week.
Nancy Salzman served in Keith’s stead to head the international conference on bioethics for Mexico. (Remember, Nancy is Allegedly the “cult” head right under Keith.)
Some people who have taken Nxivm programs: Sheila Johnson (co-founder of black entertainment network), Sir Richard Branson, Dr. Ivan Misner (CEO of BNI, see youtube video@4:00mins and also read this references a Nxivm training we did on Necker Island), Royalty from several countries, Stephen Cooper, CEO of Enron hired to rectify past ethical problems, Members of 3 past first families of Mexico, many prominent actors, musicians, and athletes. Do you think a recommendation from Keith Raniere could help A cappella? How do you think we “pull in” the funding and experts? Do you really think such business people and royalty would be involved if Nxivm was a cult? Do you think Keith needs to recruit college students?


Now it is everyone’s choice who to believe Ross (see above) or Raniere (see above.) In the case of people who have attended AI and met me, Siobahn, Keith, Nancy, Lauren, Mark, Karen etc. they have additional data. By continuing to spread the Ross propaganda you support Ross, a criminal. I think most people would not want to do that. I guess we will see if people continue to further his position.

In case some of you did not know, I was ranked 12th in the US and 80th in the world for equestrian show jumping. I came to Keith for help in riding. Keith does not ride nor does he know anything about riding proper. His method of analysis rapidly uncovered things that the best riding coaches of the world could not see. My results were unprecedented.

Keith has done similar things for world class soccer players, musicians, business people, actors, dancers, scientists, weight-lifters and singers. Just because he is approachable and non-assuming do not assume he is not extraordinary.

Is NXIVM a cult? Is Keith a “cult” leader? I think not. Of course some people who have already “dug-in” their heals will not want to really consider this information. Nxivm is an ethics and critical thinking education program of international distinction and repute. It is not a “cult” by any definition. The prominent people of the world know this. If one believed individuals such as Rick Ross, they would think Oprah, the Pentecostal Churches, Mormon Churches, Amway, Waldorf schools etc. etc. etc. are all “cults.” Just remember, media likes a controversy and no media had called Nxivm a “cult” until Rick Ross created the controversy.

One last note: If you believe the Kristin Snyder suicide story you should probably examine it more closely!

Ancient Chinese proverb – If you believe everything you read, better not read.

- Clare Bronfman