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Buffalo Chips - "Vowel Movements"

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Buffalo Chips - "Vowel Movements"

Postby singyourheart » Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:38 am

i had read their review, but on first glance had missed this until someone pointed it out to me - are they for real with that cover art? that is totally disgusting and sophomoric. even for college kids. who would want to buy that? yeah, the chicks really dig the whole toilet image, fellas.
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Postby jpchip » Thu Aug 19, 2004 1:33 pm

You're right.

Remind me not to buy "Schindler's List" because it displays a swastika on the case.
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Postby carlyonders » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:03 am

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Postby jpchip » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:39 am

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re: album design

Postby jonathansears » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:32 am

I think that the look of an album is very relevant to the overall quality of the project, but it depends on what it is you expected to get out of the album that defines its success.

It seems that from your comments the 'chips were looking for the a cappella world to take this album seriously. Maybe you (and others) feel that its a top-notch project that should be deserving of a cappella fame. If that is what you're after, then you chose the entirely wrong cover art. It's hard to take an album that looks like that seriously.

Maybe you want to be proud of this and show it to your kids someday as something daddy did in college. If that is the case, then you chose the entirely wrong cover art. "Why are you flushing my toys, daddy?!?"

Maybe you just wanted a fun, yearbook album for friends and family that you won't even listen to (let alone look at) five years down the road. If that is the case, then you have succeeded with the perfect college, frat-boy, ill-humored album cover.

Whether it was a good choice of album art can only be decided on by the group releasing the album ... because only they know what they wanted out of the project.

Since we are on the subject -- here are some recently rarb-reviewed collegiate albums that have covers that I think are fantastic for a serious respect-seeking album, as well as ones that were hopefully just done for-this-time-of-our-life albums:

SERIOUS:





HOPEFULLY NOT SERIOUS:
<-- though ironically funny

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Postby jpchip » Fri Aug 20, 2004 10:57 am

Ahh, I see what you're saying.

I rather like the look of 450 and 425 - very Midnight Ramblers-esque (or something. But 463 and 429 - at least to me - say "booooring."

We're not a serious group, and by that I mean that we like to have a lot of wacky fun. But just because Ace Ventura: When Nature Calls is a totally loony movie doesn't mean it's without merit; it's just a wholly different kind of merit than that belonging to American Beauty or Casablanca. We like being Chevy Chase, it's what we do - don't look to us to be Al Pacino.

On the other hand, 405 is an example of what I would call "totally vapid cover art," though I was somewhat amused by 457 and I actually laughed at 440. Like you said, it's all in what you expect from the album. I didn't think the cover of Vowel Movements was as bad as that on 405, but maybe I'm just a little too biased. Or maybe I have less of a problem with toilets than everyone else since I've cleaned so many of them at various jobs - to me they're no more disgusting than your average sink...hmm, perhaps our next album could be "The Kitchen Sink." We could do a whole line of porcelain object-oriented albums. :-p
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Postby nosugrefneb » Fri Aug 20, 2004 12:27 pm

Why should it matter what is on the cover? Why should it matter, for that matter, what the title is, or what colors are used, or whether it falls within a certain range of professionalism? Maybe all album covers should just be white, plain white, so that people couldn't decide whether to buy them, musical compositions, based on the artwork. Maybe people should start leaving their names off the albums too, just in case their name is too unprofessional-sounding. That surely would make for a bad album.

Would the original query even have been posed if the review was a bit more favorable? Would you, singyourheart, perhaps instead have said, "Huh, that's kind of funny!"?

Obviously, jpchip seems to think that the CONTENTS are professional, and perhaps if we deem it necessary, Seth and Ben should add a category for cover art, because that obviously has a huge impact on the CONTENTS.

Who cares?

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Postby GenesisPhreak » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:02 pm

clap clap clap "bravo ben" well said
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Postby cjmike » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:16 pm

It's easy to say "don't judge a book by its cover," (or in this case, a CD by its cover) but too often consumers do make spending decisions largely based upon the package in which the product is contained. Book publishers will, every few years, put new covers on old classics to make sure they are eye-catching enough for people to pick them up in the store. Often times, the fact that the book is considered one of the classics is not sufficient to guarantee sales. If a consumer has never heard a CD before, the cover art is very much a determining factor in whether or not they will purchase the product. I, for one, would want to make sure that the product I put out had a professional looking exterior that would entice people to buy. This isn't a value judgement about whether or not the Vowel Movements cover art would attract or repel consumers, because that's the groups decision to make and no one elses. But, marketing matters, and it's awfully idealistic to assume that the art will sell itself.

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Postby Nick Lyons » Sun Aug 22, 2004 6:11 pm

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Postby jsdiamant » Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:21 am

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Postby jonathansears » Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:15 am

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where's matt?

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Postby jpchip » Wed Aug 25, 2004 8:15 pm

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Postby seth » Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:30 pm

Matt reviewed 104 albums for RARB from 1996 through 2001. See for links to most of them.
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